cafmodel Posted December 17, 2019 Share #1 Posted December 17, 2019 Hello all, I'm Tom from Shanghai, China. My English is not very good. I use Google translation software to communicate I am very grateful to MSW, the communication platform, for letting me see a lot of excellent works, for letting me see a lot of production experience, and for letting me learn and progress from it Now I have a small studio cafmodel. We mainly develop the kit of the model, Previously, La salamander, Le Requn, La Belle, La renommee, La jacinthe, HMS enterprise, HMS Bellona have been developed At the beginning, I didn't pay attention to the copyright, but now I gradually understand that my product has the problem of infringement, and I think I should make changes I make a statement CAF models has recently been contacted by Chuck Passaro of the Nautical Research Guild. I am very thankful for his guidance. Chuck has worked with me to address my use of Ancre plans for my kits that all of you are familiar with. He has made it possible for me to meet Mr.Berti of Ancre so we can discuss rectifying the situation. He introduced me to Mr Berti. I apologize to Ancre for copying their plans without permission or compensation and through this introduction I have now come to an agreement with Ancre which now enables me to sell my kits with a legitimate relationship between us. I appreciate the time and professional relationship I now have with Chuck, Didier Berti and the NR G. Chuck has informed me that CAF models and my kits will now be welcomed on Model Ship World and I am very grateful for this. Thank you I hope to get the understanding of Ancre publishing house that I will stop selling all infringing products before obtaining production authorization Tom BobG, MEDDO, Charter33 and 29 others 32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted December 17, 2019 Share #2 Posted December 17, 2019 Welcome to MSW Tom.... Yes indeed this is true...I am very excited to say. 😁 Over the last few weeks I have worked with Tom at CAF to introduce him to Didier Berti of Ancre. It was my hope that if these two could discuss the issues at hand that some sort of agreement could be reached. It has been and I am thrilled to announce that they have formed an agreement which takes both past sales of Ancre related kits and future sales into consideration. I would also like to thank Kerry Jang who was instrumental in this process. With this licensing agreement between Ancre almost finalized, I can announce officially the lifting of the ban we placed on all CAF kits. I also welcome Tom and CAF models to MSW where I expect he will become a cherished member and hopefully sponsor. So if you intend on building any CAF kit please do start a build log and ask Tom for assistance. Here is a link to the CAF website....https://www.cafmodel.com/ This should make it perfectly clear that our main focus at MSW and the NRG was indeed the act of pirating kits and the theft of intellectual property. It was not a vendetta against any individual or country. We have removed all reference to CAF being banned on MSW....Everyone should enjoy building CAF kits and I insist that you start a build log when you get started!!! Everyone....Please join me in welcoming Tom from CAF models!!!! Chuck BETAQDAVE, Ryland Craze, BobG and 27 others 30 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted December 17, 2019 Share #3 Posted December 17, 2019 Welcome, Tom! I am so very pleased that you and Mr. Berti have been able to resolve this issue to everyone's satisfaction. I hope that your experience with Ancre may serve as a template for other Chinese designers and that we may soon see additional white-listings. Kind regards, Elijah, JpR62, BETAQDAVE and 4 others 7 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted December 17, 2019 Share #4 Posted December 17, 2019 Welcome aboard Tom. I just placed an order for your finger planes. Great carvings as well! mtaylor, Elijah, Chuck and 3 others 6 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted December 17, 2019 Share #5 Posted December 17, 2019 @cafmodel Great to see you here on MSW, and getting the credit you now so deserve with your kits. So pleased that you worked a resolution with Ancre too. A BIG welcome to MSW! Elijah, VTHokiEE, Edwardkenway and 4 others 7 Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtvd19 Posted December 17, 2019 Share #6 Posted December 17, 2019 Welcome to MSW Tom. We welcome you and your company. Note from Admin: CAF now meets all criteria as a legitimate MFG of ship model kits. They have stopped producing all kits based on source material they did not have the rights to use, mainly from Ancre. The kits currently available on their website including the Enterprise, are perfectly fine and original works not taken without consent from other authors, designers and mfg's. We are currently helping Tom at CAF to acquire the proper rights through an agreement with Ancre to make any Ancre kits legally allowable. Until such time all CAF /Ancre inspired kits are not allowed on MSW. But we are hopeful they soon will be. CAF has stopped mfg them and selling these Ancre related kits voluntarily after admitting he copied the material from Ancre without consent. Negotiations are currently underway to rectify that situation. We will make an announcement as soon as they reach an agreement. Yes there is some leftover stock of these Ancre CAF kits available through distributors which you can buy but they are still prohibited from being built within a build log here on MSW until the agreement is finalized. Matrim, Elijah, BETAQDAVE and 2 others 5 Quote Kurt Van Dahm Director NAUTICAL RESEARCH GUILD www.thenrg.org SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS CLUBS Nautical Research & Model Ship Society of Chicago Midwest Model Shipwrights North Shore Deadeyes The Society of Model Shipwrights Butch O'Hare - IPMS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted December 18, 2019 Share #7 Posted December 18, 2019 Hello Tom, and a very warm welcome to the forum from 'Down Under'! John Elijah, mtaylor and Blue Pilot 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Pilot Posted December 18, 2019 Share #8 Posted December 18, 2019 Thank you for the sincere note Tom. I wish you great success in the future for both you and CAF Modeling. mtaylor and Elijah 2 Quote Mark Current Builds: 18th Century Merchantman 1/2 Hull Smuggler Pride of Baltimore II Gallery: Yankee Hero Armed Virginia Sloop Future Builds: Rattlesnake, Fair American Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Rogers Posted December 18, 2019 Share #9 Posted December 18, 2019 Welcome Tom. Those are some very nice carvings you have available. Elijah and mtaylor 2 Quote Regards, Jim Rogers Damn the Torpedoes , Full speed ahead. Adm David Farragut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cafmodel Posted December 18, 2019 Author Share #10 Posted December 18, 2019 Thank you, everyone. I'll show you new works later mtaylor and Elijah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted December 18, 2019 Share #11 Posted December 18, 2019 Welcome to MSW, Tom. I'm looking forward to seeing your kits. Elijah 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffT Posted December 18, 2019 Share #12 Posted December 18, 2019 Hello Tom. Welcome to MSW! mtaylor 1 Quote Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duanelaker Posted December 18, 2019 Share #13 Posted December 18, 2019 This is great news! Wonderful for all involved and welcome! mtaylor and Elijah 2 Quote David Builds in Progress: Phantom Pilot Boat - MS Completed Builds: Bounty Jolly Boat - AL Chesapeake Bay Crabbing Skiff - MW Grand Banks Dory - Bluejacket The Dinghy - MW Grand Banks Dory - MW 32 Pound Carronade - MS Skiff - MW Peterboro Canoe - MW On Hold: 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull - NRG Ponte Berlin - Corel Taurus Steam Towboat - MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnobiumPunctatum Posted December 18, 2019 Share #14 Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) Welcome to MSW, Tom. I hope you will show your development of your Fly and Coureur also here on MSW. Thanks to Chuck and the whole team behind the scene for solving the copyricght-issues. @cafmodel do you have some issues with your website? If I click n the pictures I can reach some models but not by your menu. What is the current standing of your Bellona kit. I couldn't see any information about. Edited December 18, 2019 by AnobiumPunctatum Elijah, Matrim and mtaylor 3 Quote Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrim Posted December 18, 2019 Share #15 Posted December 18, 2019 This is wonderful to see happen and the parties involved (Chuck/CAF/Kerry and Ancre) all deserve credit for working together to resolve this. It's nice as well as CAF is one of the best quality producers in China so getting new kits will help the hobby. Elijah, James H, JpR62 and 1 other 4 Quote ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted December 18, 2019 Share #16 Posted December 18, 2019 I just had a conversation with Tom and Ancre. I have been made aware that this arrangement is not yet finalized. But I am very optimistic that it will be in a very short time. So please be patient. There will be an announcement when everything is all wrapped up!!! I think a bit of this got lost in translation. Chuck JpR62, Dubz, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cafmodel Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share #17 Posted December 19, 2019 On 12/18/2019 at 3:38 PM, AnobiumPunctatum said: Welcome to MSW, Tom. I hope you will show your development of your Fly and Coureur also here on MSW. Thanks to Chuck and the whole team behind the scene for solving the copyricght-issues. @cafmodel do you have some issues with your website? If I click n the pictures I can reach some models but not by your menu. What is the current standing of your Bellona kit. I couldn't see any information about. I will. Thank you for your attention Elijah and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cafmodel Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share #18 Posted December 19, 2019 On 12/18/2019 at 5:14 PM, Matrim said: This is wonderful to see happen and the parties involved (Chuck/CAF/Kerry and Ancre) all deserve credit for working together to resolve this. It's nice as well as CAF is one of the best quality producers in China so getting new kits will help the hobby. Thank you very much. I've been dealing with other things recently. The design work has been delayed. I think I can put it into design 100% from next week mtaylor and Elijah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cafmodel Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share #19 Posted December 19, 2019 Thank you for caring about me. Thank you chuck for coordinating the copyright for me James H, Elijah and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted December 19, 2019 Share #20 Posted December 19, 2019 24 minutes ago, cafmodel said: Thank you for not caring about me. Thank you chuck for coordinating the copyright for me Hi Tom, Very much looking forward to seeing your products here on MSW. We're a seriously large portal for the hobby, so it will be good to get CAFModel really well-known. Elijah, mtaylor and Matrim 3 Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kljang Posted December 20, 2019 Share #21 Posted December 20, 2019 I recently took delivery of Tom’s HMS Enterprize kit. Wow! I saw the built up version at his home in Shanghai and was smitten. Tom regularly upgrades the kits as he figures out a better way or gets customer feedback. He tries to replicate the look and materials of the Admiralry models, even producing some of the carvings in bone. Quite an amazing product. Good quality wood, cast brass cannon, wooden carvings, etched brass, the list goes on. The kit came in seven boxes and weighed several kilo. I hope the arrangement with ANCRE gets done soon. I once tried to build Le Salamandre from the plans. I got a long way on it and just ran out personal steam. I’ve seen his kit and can say it will be a lot easier to realize a ship in frame and far more precisely than I could ever do. This model has been upgraded too, he changed how the cant frames are cut and assembled to make them easier to build and replicate actual construction. The method of building the cutter is also improved with a resin cast jig to lat frames and planks. Welcome Tom, and thank you Chuck! cheers, Kerry Vancouver, Canada Matrim, James H, Ryland Craze and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASAT Posted December 28, 2019 Share #22 Posted December 28, 2019 Hi Tom, Welcome to MSW! I have been authorized by the admiral to procure some new ship models, I am extremely interested in your designs and am wondering what kind of time frame you are expecting to release your Bellona, Le Requin, La Belle, etc. What is the status of the sessions still not released?( 5th session of Bellona, 5 and 6 sessions of Le Renommee). Also are you planning on any English translations for the included documentation? I have a feeling you are going to be busy producing lots of kits once a few build logs start here on MSW..... I plan to be among them! Quote Lou, In Pleasant View Harvey by ASAT- AL Scale 1:50 - Kitbash Fair American by ASAT - LSS Craftsman Plus https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23121-revenge-1577-by-asat-amati-164/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphic Oracle Posted January 10, 2020 Share #23 Posted January 10, 2020 "When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest." (unknown/various attributions) Thanks for choosing the former and welcome to MSW! Matrim, mtaylor and JeffT 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iosto Posted January 14, 2020 Share #24 Posted January 14, 2020 Welcome Tom Thanks to you and Chuck for making this collaboration possible. I'm building the Enterprize and I'm finally happy to be able to publish it. See you soon Iosto FrankWouts, Matrim, JeffT and 1 other 4 Quote Current build Enterprize Schifetto Completed builds: LA BELLE La Jacinthe French Schooner Cherful Tartana Gemma Carmenia Salvatore Padre Tartana Gemma Bisquine La Granvillaise Fishing-boat English pinnace 18th Century Longboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cafmodel Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share #25 Posted January 5, 2021 Thank you, chuck Thank you, my friends Let's build more fun models, which is exciting Tom JeffT, bruce d, mtaylor and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike from Aus Posted January 5, 2021 Share #26 Posted January 5, 2021 This is a great result for all. Welcome Tom. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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