mtaylor Posted July 31, 2020 Author #211 Posted July 31, 2020 Thanks for the comments and the likes. I'm plugging away at the stern still. I took a look at what needs to be done to the bow and that's simple. This back end is bit of a problem as instead of looking ahead maybe 10 steps, I need to think backwards from the final look to "how do I get there". I hope to have it resolved in a week and then start making sawdust and hull planks. Edwardkenway, EJ_L, Jack12477 and 6 others 9 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
FriedClams Posted July 31, 2020 #212 Posted July 31, 2020 Nice to see an update on La Belle Poule Mark. Look forward to seeing some planks being hung. Gary Old Collingwood, mtaylor, Canute and 5 others 8 Quote Current Build Pelican Eastern-Rig Dragger Completed Scratch Builds Rangeley Guide Boat New England Stonington Dragger 1940 Auto Repair Shop Mack FK Shadowbox
mtaylor Posted August 17, 2020 Author #213 Posted August 17, 2020 After pounding my head against the wall with the stern, I'm ready to start cutting planks and getting the hull planked. I've decided to just build the "guts" to take the planking and window and line the inside with blackened wood. Following the plans at this scale meant all the supports and ribbing were so flimsy, they'd break just looking at them. Now get the saw adjusted and start cutting swiss pear. Edwardkenway, Ondras71, gjdale and 19 others 22 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Edwardkenway Posted August 17, 2020 #214 Posted August 17, 2020 Looks good Mark, be nice to see you get some planking on her, but don't they make you tear your hair out!!, I'll admit I'm still trying to get the Triton stern sorted. Canute, mtaylor, Keith Black and 5 others 8 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED
mtaylor Posted August 17, 2020 Author #215 Posted August 17, 2020 In this case, it probably was my doing. The other monographs I have are for full framing but this one is bulkheads and the stern is show framed. Confused the h*** out of me. cog, FriedClams, popeye the sailor and 5 others 8 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
BANYAN Posted August 17, 2020 #216 Posted August 17, 2020 Looks like you have achieved a good form for your planking to go onto Mark; happy sawdust making. cheers Pat Old Collingwood, Canute, popeye the sailor and 4 others 7 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)
KentM Posted August 17, 2020 #217 Posted August 17, 2020 So, why didn't you do a plank on frame? Just wondering. Kent popeye the sailor, Old Collingwood, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote
mtaylor Posted August 18, 2020 Author #218 Posted August 18, 2020 Thanks for the likes and comments. I've started sorting out the planking requirements and tomorrow is wood ripping day. 4 hours ago, KentM said: So, why didn't you do a plank on frame? Just wondering. Kent The plans are for this one are plank on bulkhead and I think they're the only ANCRE plans that are. I don't have the skill set to loft frames and I'm just trying to use my time as best I can. Keith Black, FriedClams, Ondras71 and 7 others 10 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Gaetan Bordeleau Posted August 18, 2020 #219 Posted August 18, 2020 8 hours ago, mtaylor said: I'm just trying to use my time as best I can. If you also have fun doing this, that is, it is all about! Continue your good work. EJ_L, FriedClams, mtaylor and 5 others 8 Quote
Canute Posted August 18, 2020 #220 Posted August 18, 2020 The build looks good, Mark. Nice sweet lines. mtaylor, Old Collingwood, popeye the sailor and 4 others 7 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild
KentM Posted August 19, 2020 #221 Posted August 19, 2020 I understand. I need to learn how to loft frames. It's on my to do list. Kent FriedClams, mtaylor, Keith Black and 3 others 6 Quote
jdbondy Posted August 19, 2020 #222 Posted August 19, 2020 I feel reassured by all the posts indicating people having trouble with their models' transoms/sterns... Keith Black, Edwardkenway, EJ_L and 5 others 8 Quote JD Current build: Schooner Mary Day (scratch) Previous builds: Model Shipways Pride of Baltimore 2, Amati HMS Endeavour, Midwest Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack, Bluejacket America, Midwest Sharpie Schooner
Kevin Posted August 19, 2020 #223 Posted August 19, 2020 she looks great, i am starting to understand a lot more how these vessels were put together and as a result im so happy i have taken the chicken route, and got a kit, EJ_L, Keith Black, Old Collingwood and 5 others 8 Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat
Ondras71 Posted August 19, 2020 #224 Posted August 19, 2020 On 8/17/2020 at 8:39 PM, mtaylor said: After pounding my head against the wall with the stern, I'm ready to start cutting planks and getting the hull planked. I've decided to just build the "guts" to take the planking and window and line the inside with blackened wood. Following the plans at this scale meant all the supports and ribbing were so flimsy, they'd break just looking at them. Very nice building. Place the strut in the stern, remove it after gluing the boards. Good luck!! Ondras. Old Collingwood, Keith Black, EJ_L and 4 others 7 Quote Ondras. Done : President - https://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=177&t=90230 Under construction : Roter Lowe - https://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=177&t=114576 Member of the organizing club - https://wchs-c-2023.klom-admiral.cz/en
mtaylor Posted August 26, 2020 Author #225 Posted August 26, 2020 Finally, an update. After several tries, I finally got the garboard strakes like I want them. Here's photos of side fore and aft. On to the wales area. I'll touch of the sanding and possibly need to add a bit filler up there. Things got bunged about while doing the garboards. popeye the sailor, Canute, EJ_L and 34 others 37 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
SJSoane Posted August 26, 2020 #226 Posted August 26, 2020 Looking nice, Mark! Mark Keith Black, Old Collingwood, FriedClams and 4 others 7 Quote Current build: HMS Bellona 74, ca. 1760, 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/196-hms-bellona-by-sjsoane-scale-164-1760-as-designed/
wefalck Posted August 27, 2020 #227 Posted August 27, 2020 The probably most difficult strake mastered ! Canute, Keith Black, FriedClams and 4 others 7 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux
gjdale Posted August 27, 2020 #228 Posted August 27, 2020 I can see already that the planking is going to look sweet Mark. mtaylor, EJ_L, FriedClams and 4 others 7 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout
mtaylor Posted August 27, 2020 Author #229 Posted August 27, 2020 Thanks for the comments. I appreciate it. I have cut some planks and still sorting out the top of the main wale. Unlike other ships, the French practice (on frigates at least) from the upper "wale" the planks taper down in thickness. I'm figuring out things including wood cutting at the current time. Keith Black, Edwardkenway, EricWilliamMarshall and 7 others 10 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Vladimir_Wairoa Posted August 29, 2020 #230 Posted August 29, 2020 On 8/27/2020 at 12:16 AM, mtaylor said: Finally, an update. After several tries, I finally got the garboard strakes like I want them. Here's photos of side fore and aft. On to the wales area. I'll touch of the sanding and possibly need to add a bit filler up there. Things got bunged about while doing the garboards. perfect sanding on gunwales shapes Mark. like . that must have been tough. Vlad Old Collingwood, clearway, popeye the sailor and 11 others 14 Quote
mtaylor Posted August 30, 2020 Author #231 Posted August 30, 2020 8 hours ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said: perfect sanding on gunwales shapes Mark. like . that must have been tough. Vlad Thanks. Not to bad actually. I have couple of cut off pieces of plastic pipe in various dimensions. Wrap the paper around it and it does curves nicely. Keith Black, cog, EJ_L and 8 others 11 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Vladimir_Wairoa Posted August 30, 2020 #232 Posted August 30, 2020 3 hours ago, mtaylor said: Thanks. Not to bad actually. I have couple of cut off pieces of plastic pipe in various dimensions. Wrap the paper around it and it does curves nicely. oh of course, clever. how come i forgot i do curves same way ? Old Collingwood, EJ_L, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote
garyshipwright Posted August 30, 2020 #233 Posted August 30, 2020 Looking good Mark and will follow along. Always nice to watch a real shipbuilder work his craft. Gary Keith Black, mtaylor, Old Collingwood and 4 others 7 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779
mtaylor Posted August 31, 2020 Author #234 Posted August 31, 2020 Vladamir, I think we all have those moments when our brains go mushy. I"m lucky I haven't forgotten my name yet. Gary, thank you. I"m not sure about the 'real shipbuilder' part though. Keith Black, Old Collingwood, Edwardkenway and 3 others 6 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
garyshipwright Posted August 31, 2020 #235 Posted August 31, 2020 Hum wait till you ask your daughter were your phone is and she tells you your talking on it. I was a bit red face over that one. Well good sir am going to hold you to that part.😊 Gary Landlubber Mike, Edwardkenway, cog and 6 others 9 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779
mtaylor Posted August 31, 2020 Author #236 Posted August 31, 2020 Ah, the joys of getting older. I heard the cell phone about week and ago and couldn't find it. It was in my pocket. I'm just about ready for the home. popeye the sailor, Edwardkenway, egkb and 6 others 8 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Edwardkenway Posted August 31, 2020 #237 Posted August 31, 2020 These thing happen so our children can laugh at us😁, like when I'm looking for my glasses only to realise I'm wearing them🙄🙄 egkb, Keith Black, mtaylor and 5 others 8 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED
MadDogMcQ Posted September 2, 2020 #238 Posted September 2, 2020 What a joy it is to watch people work their magic. So entertaining and educational too. Can't wait to see the planking 🙂 Tom. EJ_L, mtaylor, FriedClams and 5 others 8 Quote Tom (MadDog) McQuiggan. Member of Nautical Research Guild Current Build : VAPORETTO MOTOBATTELLO VENEZIANO Finished Build : AIRFIX 1930 BENTLEY And Later On : PANART VICTORY BOW SECTION Finished Build : BILLING BOATS, ST ROCH And Later On : EBBRO CITROEN DS21 HOBBIES : Amateur Radio : Motorcycling : Model Making : Painting/Sketching : FlightSims : Photography : Slave to none!
mtaylor Posted October 22, 2020 Author #239 Posted October 22, 2020 This ship isn't dead, I've just been busy. Seems real life is in the way and also some reworks of things I've found I'm not happy with. But, I think the ship problems resolved and once I've laid down some hull planks, I'll update things. cog, chris watton, Landlubber Mike and 10 others 13 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Landlubber Mike Posted October 22, 2020 #240 Posted October 22, 2020 Completely understand Mark! We'll be hear to share the next steps with you. Old Collingwood, EJ_L, Canute and 4 others 7 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)
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