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Without all those frames on my build, I had no where near the sanding, but it still seemed like I was doing it in my sleep. If we gain anything from this hobby it's repair/re-work and sanding skills!

Posted this and then realized I forgot to say how great she's looking!

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Sherry

 

Every goodbye is the birth of a memory...

 

Current Build: San Felipe

 

Finished Builds: Mayflower Build Log

 

Gallery: Mayflower

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Thanks for the "likes" and comments... finish sanding with the "good" paper will wait until the whole  hull is planked.  Yeah, I know, the longer I wait, the more there will be.  :)

 

Popeye,  I think you might be right but if it's what I think it is, it's wood that will be cut off.  The trim line is supposedly just in front of the first frame which I just re-checked and I'm good.. 

 

Anyway, need to resolve some issues at the stern.  More later.

Mark
"The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me

Current Build:                                                                                             
Past Builds:
 La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD           Triton Cross-Section   

 NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit                                                                            HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64               

 

Non-Ship Model:                                                                                         On hold, maybe forever:           

CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed                                                   Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)         

         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

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Well, I hate to say it, but this log is now terminated. :(    I knew about a year ago that it might come this but not in the way I thought.   There's been a lot of lessons learned and I'll give some of them as they are also reasons for terminating this log.

 

However... I will be starting a new log on Licorne once a fresh supply of framing material arrives.  :)

 

Lessons learned:

 

1) Use only one set of drawings.  I started by using two and assumed that they were dimensionally the same.  Wrong!

 

2)  Be darn sure that the reference points are adhered to throughout the build.   A couple of points on this one.   Hahn's drawings use a 1/4 inch build board, I used 3/16 inch thick board.   My confusion came on as I thought his measurements went from the bottom of the build board up.. they didn't.  Only the frame drawings had the full build board thickness and I made a faulty assumption but apparently not consistently as I'm off as much as 1/16th of inch in places.

 

3)  Add reference lines in the cutting process of frames.  I took measurements after the frames were cut and was led astray by 2).

 

4)  What I found acceptable even two months ago in my build, I find unacceptable now.

 

5)  I've discovered better ways of using my power tools with time and usage.  

 

6)  Use only quality wood and reject out of hand anything less than quality.  There's places where I "made do" and I'm less than happy about it.

 

7)  Keep the fingers away from spinning tools -- like milling bits and saw blades.

 

8)  Even the master messes up.  I noticed in photos that there's errors where things just didn't go together right on Hahn's model and he tweaked it.

 

9)  It's a hobby dammit!!!!!!!!   Slow down and enjoy the trip not the destination.

 

Anyway, thanks for following along on this journey of discovery and I hope the next will be better.  It has to be since I learned from this one.

 

Lastly, expect more idiotic questions as I go... It's still a learning process.

 

See you on Licorne... Version II.

Mark
"The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me

Current Build:                                                                                             
Past Builds:
 La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD           Triton Cross-Section   

 NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit                                                                            HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64               

 

Non-Ship Model:                                                                                         On hold, maybe forever:           

CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed                                                   Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)         

         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

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Hi Mark. Sorry to hear about the need to restart the Licorne. Reading your points of learning I see

that I've suffered each and everyone of them but unlike you l haven't learned from them.

 

Good luck with Licorne 2.0.

Rusty

"So Long For Now" B) 

 

Current Builds: Speedwell

 

 

Completed Build Logs:  HMS Winchelsea 1/48   Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross SectionCutter CheerfulQueen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat

 

Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout

 

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Mark:

It is too bad that it came to this, but I get where you are coming from. We have all been there at some point. I look forward to the next build.

 

Russ

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Mark, Your work has to continue to satisfy your desire to continue, when this changes for whatever reason, one sits back and reevaluates the whole process and why we engage in it in the first place. The bottom line is that sometimes there are too many issues to continue, and so a restart or entirely new build usually results.

 

Your reasons regarding the differences in information would most likely become more and more frustrating, so I can see and understand your decision.

I have always felt that the journey is far more important than the destination, and you have obviously used this journey well.

I look forward to seeing your next log.

 

Michael

Current builds  Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8;      Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8;       Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8

Other projects  Pilot Cutter 1:500 ;   Maria, 1:2  Now just a memory    

Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8

Finished projects  A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100  

 

Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.

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Sorry my friend

Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on
 

All the best

Kevin :omg:


SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS.
KEEP IT REAL!

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Finished     

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Very sorry to hear this.

Your log was a great inspiration and helpd me a lot in the last year to find my way. To much perfectionism is also bad, You will never be satisfied with the result of your build. This was/is my biggest problem. Your log helped me to come out of this spiral and I found the fun on building a ship model. Thanks for this.

   

Regards Christian

 

Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36

On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777

Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48

"Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali

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Sorry to hear it got to this point Mark, but think of it as just another "do-over" (only on a larger scale)! :D

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man....what a shock to the system!   having to get up from a sound sleep,  to go to work is bad enough.........but to get all those notifications in my E-mail,  and come in here to see this.....why....it's beyond words,  my friend!  I am deeply saddened to read that you've scuttled your build........I can understand :(    I've had doubts in a few builds myself.......but I am but a crude method-ist.......I'm used to my little quirks ;)   I'll look forward to your restart.

 

is there no way to rename her and perhaps launch her under another flag?   you could simply turn her into a pirate ship........pirates love scuttled ships  ;)

I yam wot I yam!

finished builds:
Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue
Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions
M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller
Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build

Billing T78 Norden

 

in dry dock:
Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20
Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required
Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400
Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch

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Hi Mark

Sad news indeed.

However as you mentioned it is still a hobby.

 

Perhaps  -only for a while-  take some distance from it and  depending from your persoonal taste enjoy a few good beers or a glass of wine,  make a stroll,....

and very soon we'll be following the Licorne version 2.0 buildlog.

 

Take care !

Kind regards

 

Christian

 

"The original always beats the copy"

(supportive statement)

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Mark, I don't think that I could do what you're doing -- in fact, I know that I couldn't. I'm sure that I would try to tweak it to be "good enough". I have nothing but respect and admiration for your decision not to do that. Like everyone else, I look forward to version 2.

 

Bob

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Hello Mark,

 

I guess that post 466 must have been one of the hardest posts you have ever written. Thanks for the Lessons.

 

I am kind of speech less… But I wish you the best with the Licorne V.2.0. I think all that mental effort you have done once will make easier the path ahead…

 

Best wishes again.

 

 

Daniel.

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So sorry Mark that things worked out this way. It must have been very hard to finally come to this decision. I have enjoyed following along and will be looking forward to your new log. 

Sherry

 

Every goodbye is the birth of a memory...

 

Current Build: San Felipe

 

Finished Builds: Mayflower Build Log

 

Gallery: Mayflower

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Hi Mark,

 

If I would have to face this situation,  I would also think that it is a difficult way to learn. But the desire to build and create is much more stronger.

 

I tried ounce the the Hahn way with the frigate of 44 guns, I would not try it twice, the main reason being I do not like to work upside down.

 

Did you know that some 20 or 25 years after  Hahn, a little  genius by the name of David created a method:

 

- much more enjoyable to build

- much more similar to the real method to build and

- much more easy to build

 

 

Mark, you will probably want to go  in the Licorne V2.0. I am not trying to tell you not to go. I just wants to make sure that you are aware that there are easier ways to build  and mainly that you will get plans in a much higher degre of accuracy and details with peoples like David and Ed, and that the better the plans are the better the results are going to be... it is simply mathematic.

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Mark: after your investment of time and money, that is a brave decision you'll not regret.

 

My first serious scratch build, many years ago, ran into many of exactly the same problems as you describe. I, too, decided to junk her. On my next model I was able to avoid all the pitfalls I'd fallen into the first time around. I ended up - some years later - with an award-winning model. May this be your experience also!

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This is truly devastating news.  I can imagine how you feel terminating the build but applaud your attitude to take it as a learning experience and soldier on with another project.  This experience will certainly guide your modeling career as you move ahead.

 

Your many dedicated followers here will patiently await you selecting a direction for your next venture.  Though Licorne may have brought you valuable experience, she also brought many friends and acquaintances eager to see your ultimate triumph.  I am but one among them.

 

GOOD LUCK, my friend.

Augie

 

Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64

 

Previous Builds :

 

US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery)

Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery)

Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988

Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976

Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956

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Sorry to hear this Mark.......I look forward to version II.

John

Current Current Builds:

US Brig Niagara on my website

FINISHED BUILD LOGS:

New Bedford Whaleboat - page on my Morgan Website:  http://www.charleswmorganmodel.com/whaleboat-build-log-by-john-fleming.html

C.W. Morgan - Model Shipways 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1785-cw-morgan-by-texxn5-johnf-ms-164-kit/

USS Constitution - Revell 1:96 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1796-uss-constitution-by-texxn5-johnf-revell-196-kit/

 

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man....what a shock to the system!   ...   I am deeply saddened to read that you've scuttled your build ...

I'll look forward to your restart.

 

is there no way to rename her and perhaps launch her under another flag?   you could simply turn her into a pirate ship........pirates love scuttled ships  ;)

 

A PIRATE Ship !!!!!

 

Ye gunna turn her into a PIRATE ship ?!?!?

 

She'll be the grandest pirate ship I (err, that is, WE) e'er sailed the Seven Seas in !!!!

 

Oh !!! What a joy this shall be !!!

I'll (sorry, WE'LL) plunder the Spanish Main like it's ne'er been plundered before !!! 

Just think of the damsels-in-distress to be rescued !!!

 

Oh please say ye will, Mark !!!!!!!!

:cheers:

 

DRAKE !!! Ye murderin' sea-dog !!! I (my mistake, WE) be comin' after ye NOW !!!

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Mark,

 

Just like Popeye I found this out when I was at work because of all the notifications !

A brave decision !

This build was make with sweat, blood and now tears........ :(

The Licorne 2 will even be better !

I will keep my seat and watch you again !

And then as a last thing, a famous Dutch expression........pfffffffffff

 

Good luck my friend !!!!!

 

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Sad day!! :( I guess it's ultimately a good decision.  I know you wouldn't have been able to live with this one had you continued.  The second one will be all the better for it.  We're routing for you Mark.  

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Like Druxey, my first plank on frame model was scrapped after a year because it was not up to spec. Your second version will no doubt be built on a better foundation and I guarantee you won't regret starting over.

Greg

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Speedwell, 1752

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Hi Mark,

 

Good luck on version 2.  I think this is a good call if you wouldn't be satisfied with version 1, and I'm sure version 2 will come out fantastic.  Just think of version 1 as a learning experience  :)  

 

Mike

Mike

 

Current Wooden builds:  Amati/Victory Pegasus  MS Charles W. Morgan  Euromodel La Renommèe  

 

Plastic builds:    SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48  Five Star Yaeyama 1/700  Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama  Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700  Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32  Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72  IJN Notoro 1/700  Akitsu Maru 1/700

 

Completed builds :  Caldercraft Brig Badger   Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle  Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700   Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350

F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72  Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48  Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48  Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48

Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya  Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16

 

Terminated build:  HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn)  

 

On the shelf:  Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits

 

Future potential scratch builds:  HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)

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